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[livejournal.com profile] level_head said to me that my "writing badly" exercises so far have all been well-written, and accordingly, he was not convinced that writing badly was something I was even capable of. I'm doing these exercises all wrong! *cries* ;_;

And this is my last chance! So I'm going to do my very best ... er ... very worst on this one. The genre is "badly written @descs".

You are looking at a human. She is a womn. She is bloned. Her hair iss long. It is over her ears. She is long-legd. She is short. She is very thin. She is big-chestde. She is browne-eyd. Her eys are ey-shaped. Heer face is angular. She is very tall. She has a mouth. She has two lisp. Her cheeks are round. Shee is white-skinned, except where she is tan. She is clothed. In clothing. She is curvey. You arr thinking she is very very very beutifull. You are seen by her. You are being smiled t by her. She is very very very beutifull. HEr mouth is red. She is black-haired. Her teeth are whit. Her feet are smaell. Her fet are in high-HEeled sandals. Her breasts are big. There is desire in you to have sex wth her. Her thigh-high boots are sexy. She is VERY VERY VERy SExy. You are very very very much in love with her. She is aaverage hite.




All right. I hope the above satisfies everyone that I can write badly, because I don't think I can do much more of that.

(I was originally going to do a desc with run-on sentences and misspellings, inaccurately-used big words, lots more reader-hijacking, etc. But I thought that would probably be too entertaining to qualify as authentically "bad". Plus, I don't think I could come up with a reader-hijacking better than Chip Unicorn's "Upon seeing this character, you immediately perform three bank robberies, give your ill-gotten gains to the Libertarian Party, then work as an Elvis impersonator in Vegas.")

Date: 2004-02-12 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofstripes.livejournal.com
I can totally deflate your hopes with a 30-second rummage through the Puzzlebox applications. See, the problem is you are sane, and though anybody can fake bad orthography, creepy fixations and bad logic have to come from the heart. ;)

Date: 2004-02-12 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
"She is bloned" made me somehow think of "blonding" as this thing done to random people, like a drive-by shooting. "Oh, no, I've been blonded!" ;)

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Date: 2004-02-12 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] level-head.livejournal.com
She was blond-sided in a drive-by shading.

===|==============/ Level Head

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Date: 2004-02-12 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
Ouuuuuch! :-D

CYa!
Mako

Date: 2004-02-12 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
There is, I think, great difficulty in getting that really authentic bad writing feel if you are, in fact, good. It's really hard to pin down. It's sort of like when an adult artist tries to draw "crayon kiddie drawings". Generally, it does not look like a kid drew it. It looks like we're supposed to think a kid drew it, but it's too neat, too clear. For an authentic look, the artist has to be willing to destroy clarity. Often, creation with a crayon for a young kid (old enough to draw stick figures, not old enough to do them nice and neat) is an active exercise - not something that's planned at the start, but built onto, with things being added in as the child thinks of them ... even if it means scribbling over something that's already there.

And so forth.

I think it's probably ultimately easier to convincingly do "kiddie drawings" than what you're trying to do, because, in theory, we can think back to what our own "artwork" was like as a little kid, and what went through our heads at that time. (At least, I was pretty intent on it, and I have some vague recollections of the process.)

It's probably a little harder to convincingly do a "bad @desc" unless you were ever in that category yourself. I suppose that examples always help. I suppose that if I hung around in "West Corner of the Park", I would see plenty. ;)

But ... you know, now you have me curious as to what you were originally going to do. So, it was going to be too entertaining? I'm greedy. Entertain us! ;D

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Date: 2004-02-12 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
Fascinating! No, really! =D The thing is, I haven't really been around little kids for a long time; I'd be hard pressed to be "authentic" in replicating what a little kid would say. So often, "parent pretending to type for kid" ends up being a collection of "cute highlights" that sound artificial. The real thing is surreal when you bother to transcribe it. =)

Date: 2004-02-12 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zaimoni.livejournal.com
Speech habits may change, but the typical development of reasoning techniques is almost certainly more stable. Piaget did some foundational work in the 1960's, which was expanded upon by later researchers.

Date: 2004-02-13 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zaimoni.livejournal.com
I'd say intensiveness of education is important. Keep in mind that "modern" (roughly, post-1970 as contrasted with pre-1920) U.S. education is not nearly as efficient at imparting facts as anything overseas. At our best, we teach students how to learn on their own...and we usually try, at least. So I'd be trying to get modern samples from all of the U.S., U.K., and Australia.

Take Kenneth Grahame's Wind in the Willows, for instance. [Ok, so I used to be a slightly fanatic collector -- I own hardcopy of every edition that was in print in early 1992. Ernest Shepard's classic illustrations of Mr. Badger are a formative influence on how I draw my LJ icons.]

That is a redacted collection of bedtime stories for Kenneth Grahame's son, at age 10 or so. That 10-year-old son had an intensive enough education (in English) that those were suitable bedtime stories. The vocabulary's over most U.S. college freshmen's heads.
The difference between U.S. and overseas education really shows in the later parts of higher education (graduate school, junior and higher undergraduate).

While this isn't on my userinfo (I don't want to have lazy freshmen swamping me), I have provided tutoring services in both higher math and higher computer science for overseas students. To put things mildly, that overseas bachelor's degree confers excellent factual awareness (better than a corresponding U.S. degree) -- but self-learning skills are deficient compared to most U.S. high school students.

One template exercise, with extensive commentary on how I thought about the exercise, was sufficient for said student (one Pakistani, one probable subcontinental Indian) to work an entire category of loosely related exercises. But they were not trained in how to induct that template from the category of related exercises. It just wasn't taught overseas. I provided the missing link between what overseas education provided and what they were actually getting, but we never made serious progress towards not needing me as an education-system translator.

In contrast, one grey-haired acquaintance of mine at K-State (trying to go for a mechanical engineering degree; he had dropped out of high school in the early 1950's with a D average GPA) needed less than 10 hours of tutoring to ditch me as a tutor for Ordinary Differential Equations. [This is a good thing. I taught him how to analyze the subject matter for study.]

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Date: 2004-02-12 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuftears.livejournal.com
Well, you succeeded, in the sense of writing badly. ('gryn) Writing like a bad writer is a whole different subject.

Date: 2004-02-12 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
Hey, it's kind of interesting how Chip_Unicorn suggests making it "like a newspaper article, going from general to specific". Around here, we call that headlining! (i.e., give the summary first, then the details.)

And you know what? It occurred to me the other day ... that I rarely ever headline in conversation! Augh! Sometimes I even lose my point before I ever get to it, because I spend so much time "building up" to it. I must mend my ways! =P

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Date: 2004-02-12 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
Well, if it's a story or a joke, sure, build up to it.

But if, for instance, I'm trying to ask my supervisor if I can leave early, I really should get to the point first, rather than beating around the bush.

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Date: 2004-02-12 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuftears.livejournal.com
True, your supervisor may appreciate the forthright approach. 'Excuse me, do you mind if I leave early?' vs 'Excuse me, but I have this thing happening at 6 o' clock that I should prepare for, and bunches of my friends are coming over, and um, do you mind if I leave early?'

('gryn)

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Date: 2004-02-12 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
I think diamond-shaped is better for descriptions: go general, then specific, then summarize. Or what I've heard is a principle of good teaching: Tell them what you're going to tell them, tell them, then tell them what you told them.

And that was for descriptions, not conversations. Conversations meander.

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Date: 2004-02-12 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
Not to go completely tangent ... but is that picture in your icon an otter drinking from a bottle? =D

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Date: 2004-02-12 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Yep!

I remember getting it from BBC News, but I can't find the original picture any more.

It's my 'isn't this KY000000TE' picture.

Date: 2004-02-12 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minor-architect.livejournal.com
Shee is white-skinned, except where she is tan.

I know you were trying to write badly without intentionally being funny, but... I'm sorry, that still made me laugh.

Or perhaps it's just me. Does that make me funny because I thought it was funny? ;-)

Date: 2004-02-12 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minor-architect.livejournal.com
I'm almost disappointed noone commented on the character's Incredible Changing Height.

You know, I didn't catch that part until you brought my attention to it. :-P

I also liked how the "very beautifuls" and "very sexys" starting adding up as you went along. ;-)


Date: 2004-02-12 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelloggs2066.livejournal.com
I don't know why, but I read one of the lines wrong and went from the end of the line back to the beginning of the same one... The results were somewhat hilarious:

"She is very thin...She is big-chestde. [...] over her ears."

Unfortunately, after reading that bit wrong, I was laughing so hard, the rest of it all is just a blur.

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Date: 2004-02-12 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
(Snort!) Alstonitis gone WAY BAD!

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Date: 2004-02-12 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelloggs2066.livejournal.com
...But not totally inconsistent with the rest of the @desc!

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Date: 2004-02-12 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelloggs2066.livejournal.com
I may be incorrect. I've only heard of Scott Alston's art, but never actually seen any of it.

I gather that he drew a series of female characters who... Let me put it another way...

In medical terminology, the suffix -itis, refers to a swelling of tissue. Appendicitis refers to a swelling of the appendix. Meningitis refers to the swelling of the meninges of the brain. Encephilitis refers to the swelling of the head and so on.

Alstonitis refers to... umm... er... ah... swelling of certain female mammalian tissues to unrealistic proportions, possibly by helium or other lighter than air technology.

Umm... Think of the airships of Sinai.

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Date: 2004-02-12 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com
Obscure fan-jargon. A decade or so ago, there was a fanzine that was put out by a fellow who was known for drawing females with comically unreasonable proportions - but it wasn't meant to be comical. This factor seemed to just get worse and worse in his artwork. For a while, in certain small circles, the phenomenon - whenever anyone else seemed to sport the same progressive problem in his depiction of female characters in illustration - was referred to as "Alstonitis".

Date: 2004-02-12 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
An example that almost outdoes my fake one:


you feel a sense of desire look at you beneath long silken lashes and also realize there is something more than meets the eye with her.


I'm still wondering how a sense of desire can look at me.
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