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The poly-romance story I've been writing lately includes a prominent male/male relationship. As it happens, this is a genre I've never actually read*, although I've written scenes in it before. I am not really determined to find a poly-romance -- I am sure they exist, but it's so niche that I don't know that I would enjoy anything I found. But I figured I could at least read some m/m romance.

I remembered that [livejournal.com profile] haikujaguar had recommended some Age-of-Sail m/m romance a while back, and the magic of LJ tags let me find the review entry again, so I decided last night to pick up this one.

I was a little hesitant to start it, because let me just begin with what a horrible, horrible time-and-place the British Navy in the late 18th century was for two men to fall in love. This is a time period when sodomy was a hanging offense, and ships offered zero privacy. Welcome to Crapsack Universe, please do not enjoy your stay. But I was in the mood for reading a romance and annoyed trying to craft the one I've been writing, so I started it this morning anyway.

And omigosh it has some wonderful romance. Chapter eleven! ♥ Incredibly sweet.

After twelve Aubrey/Maturin books, the naval scenes in Captain's Surrender felt plausible but lightweight by comparison. Beecroft does convey the sense of the time and period well -- I never got the feeling she glossed over things because she didn't know them. More a sense that the book was written for romance readers rather than to appeal to Age-of-Sail buffs, and accordingly Beecroft explained more when she did put in details, and left out a lot. Some things felt a little off, history-wise: for instance, when the characters in Captain's Surrender talk about prizes, they invariably mean pirates and arms-smugglers. In the Aubrey/Maturin books, the vast majority of prizes are the merchant ships of enemy nations. This struck me as an effort to make the characters appeal more to modern sensibilities, and rubbed me the wrong way. Other things are horrifyingly right -- the impact a tyrannical captain can have on a ship, for example.

At points, events felt seriously contrived in the name of creating dramatic tension, which also annoyed me. And as [livejournal.com profile] haikujaguar pointed out in her review, the typical romance-novel happy ending (which the book does provide) does not feel convincing in the setting. I don't know if it "needs a sequel" so much as I am still worried for these poor characters trapped in their crapsack universe.

But overall, I found the story compelling, the protagonists likable if occasionally bastards, and the romantic sequences heart-melting. I had a great time with this book, and if there'd been fewer contrivances in the events leading up to the ending, I would give it a 9. As it is, more of an 8. If you like romance (and do not object to it being m/m), a delightful read. If you want historical Age of Sail fiction -- well, you really should read the Aubrey/Maturin books -- but this was surprisingly good on the historical fiction count too. Far better than the typical Regency romance in terms of grounding the characters in a realistic depiction of the period. There is some semi-explicit erotica (generally in the romance-novel tradition of avoiding explicit language) and swearing, but not a great deal.

* I lie! I lie like a rug. How could I forget The Heritage of Hastur and chapter twenty-three, which I read approximately two thousand times as a kid? Not technically a romance, I suppose, but I loved it for the romance. But I actually had forgotten about it until I started writing this review. There may've been some other m/m romance subplots in books I read a a kid.

Date: 2013-04-02 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
The author of the book is on Livejournal! And is really sweet (like her books!). You should tell her about your review. :) It's [livejournal.com profile] alex_beecroft (fancy that).

Date: 2013-04-02 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
I think I reviewed this book a while back- I can dig it up if you're interested.

This genre (m/m romance) is my playground at the moment *cough* so if you want recommendations I can give you some more. I tend to find some good books through Amazon's forum, too.

Date: 2013-04-02 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
My review ishere.

I'll have to think about/gather titles for you. :D M/M romance is a really hot, growing field right now so if there's a particular thing you're interested in (science fiction, werewolves (oh gods so many gay werewolf books), historical) it would help narrow it down.

Date: 2013-04-03 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinsa.livejournal.com
I seriously don't believe I'm going to ask this question, but like watching that car wreck on the side of the road I just... can't... resist...

Canids typically mean knots. Do the gay werewolf books go there?

Date: 2013-04-03 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
Hahahah I've heard knotting is very popular in the Teen Wolf fandom (not a fandom I'm involved with at all, I just see things on Tumblr. 0_o). But in the few shifter books I've read, both men seem to be 100% human while having sex. I don't recall any knots in the couple of books I've read.The characters seem to be 100% animal or 100% human, none of those in-between states, and as animals they have different priorities.

Date: 2013-04-03 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
Actually, now that I think about it, I believe Lisanne Norman did a form of "knotting" with her female human, male cat alien couple in her books.

Date: 2013-04-03 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinsa.livejournal.com
Never... employs... shifting...

So, let me get this straight. They take romance. They make it somewhat novel by adding werewolves or whatever. And then they remove the novelty by removing the werewolf part from the romance part. Oooo-kay!

(I know that sex != romance, and who knows, maybe they play it up by having them spend half the book in wolf form sniffing each other or something, and then right at the end going "oh, hey, human now!"... but that's probably even worse!)

Date: 2013-04-03 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinsa.livejournal.com
Ehhhh. That sounds... potentially pretty cringe-worthy. It seems like a way to manipulate characters without really having to be able to plausibly explain their behaviors, just this hand-wavey "oh, it's the wolf part talking." But maybe it could work if really well thought through. I may be trying to over-think things, given that I'm not certain I've ever actually read a romance novel.

I think what I like about the concept of more shifty/animaly things is the (potential) decoupling of the relationship parts from some of the human... entanglements. Humans are good at complicating things, I like (at least in concept) the idea of needs just being needs, and being this kind of feral and uncontrolled part of the interactions between characters. There's a certain purity to it that appeals to me, although I'm certain I'm doing a lousy job expressing it. Things are always so much clearer in my head!

Date: 2013-04-03 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
Okay, probably the most important question- do you have a Kindle or Kindle app? :D I get most of my m/m books as e-books.

Right off the top of my head, you might like the Raised by Wolves series. There are four books. The first two have the most to do with the two main characters' relationship, the latter two have to do with family complications (which I can understand given the time period, but is not one of my favorite things to read about.) The first two books are among my favorites, I love the protagonists and the buccaneer stuff. I'm about due for a reread on these, actually.

Date: 2013-04-03 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okojosan.livejournal.com
I can loan you some books from my Kindle collection, too.

Date: 2013-04-02 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinsa.livejournal.com
I am still worried for these poor characters trapped in their crapsack universe.

I'm thinking that this is probably the official way to tell that someone did a good job with their characters. ;)

Date: 2013-04-02 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com
Presumably not *every* universe is crapsack. o.o;

Date: 2013-04-02 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com
Also, no internet.

That ruins a lot of fantasy worlds for me, too.

Date: 2013-04-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinsa.livejournal.com
Don't *make* me flog you with a noodle!

Date: 2013-04-05 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alltoseek.livejournal.com
I wonder if future people will think that about our present? Prolly *g*

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