Star Wars: the Old Republic

[rowyn]

About 12 years ago, I was an EverQuest fanatic. EverQuest was one of the first generation of its kind: a big-budget, graphics-intensive, Massively Multiplayer, Online, and (theoretically) Role-playing Game.  Its precursors were the text-based Multi-Use Dungeons, which had been around since the 80s with much the same mechanics but no graphics to speak of.

 

I played EQ obsessively for three years. When I finally quit, I was burned out on the leveling-game genre: kill monsters so you can get xp so you can gain levels so you can kill bigger monsters so you can gain more xp so you can gain more levels GOTO 10.

 

Lut has remained a big fan of the genre, and so I've tried a number of MMORPGs since then. City of Heroes grabbed me for several years, mostly in spite of being a levelling game rather than because of it.  I burned out on City of Heroes last year, but kept my subscription through this year and have continued to play once or twice a month with terrycloth.  I still think CoH is a great game, with features unmatched by any MMO before or since. (It's not you, CoH, it's me.)  But most of my friends have stopped playing and the game doesn't engage me anymore.

 

In November, Lut joined the beta for Star War: The Old Republic for a couple of weekends. Largely on the strength of watching him play it, I decided to buy it.  terrycloth, Lut and I preordered it a week or two ago, and we started playing in the early-access period on Thursday and Friday.

 

What I Like

 

Conversational options
Typical MMO quests/missions/adventures/whatever start something like this:
* Click on NPC marked as "quest giver"
* Read a block of text describing what the quest involves and why the NPC wants you to do it
* Click on "accept" or "decline"

 

In SWTOR, getting a quest involves an actual conversation. With spoken dialogue (and subtitles).  And shifting camera angles. Facial expressions! And choices of what your avatar will say. 

 

Granted, your conversational options are limited and sometimes badly described. (Description: "I hope I'm not wasting my time." Actual speech: "If this is a waste of my time, I'LL MAKE YOU PAY!"  o.O )  You get at most three options, and the conversations go much the same direction regardless of what you say.  The main game-mechanical impact of your choices is getting you light-side or dark-side points. Most choices give you neither, but occasionally you get a moral choice to make -- kill this guy or spare him, help these people or rob them, etc. -- and depending on how you make it, your character moves towards light or dark. Later in the game, this will effect what equipment you can use. 

 

Sometimes the moral choices make you go o.O.  One quest has a choice between "poison these slaves quickly" (light side) or "poison them slowly and painfully (dark side).  Lut and I rather felt this should be "dark side" and "even more dark side". Another quest offered "give this medicine you rescued from the bad guys back to the Republic soldiers who owned and need it (dark side) or to these refugees who stole it and also need it (light side)".  Which both seemed like reasonable good-guy options to me.

 

But even so, I find the storylines and the use of machinama scenes and voice acting engaging and entertaining. This is the reason I got the game.  It may not be quite up to the quality of, say, Mass Effect 2, but it's pretty impressive given the breadth and scope of the game.

 

Class Story Arcs

 

Each class has its own story arc, of which that character is the star. 

 

koogrr once said that the pinnacle of WoW character development was to become one of the elite units in Warcraft 3.  "Not one of the heroes. You'll never be a hero.  At best, at the very top of your game, you'll be a valuable unit."  SWTOR does not make you feel like a walk-on part in the star NPC's story.  It puts you on center stage. This is good for player morale, and bad for universe versimilitude. The game feels less like an MMO than like a four-player game to me.  My smuggler groups with [Bad username or site: lt.warhound @ livejournal.com]'s Republic trooper and terrycloth's Jedi counseler, and we ignore the rest of the players because if you have more than one of each class, the class stories don't make sense. In fact, you can watch and help other players with their class quests -- unless it's the same as your own. "Only one member of this class per instance". Because the conceit is that you're the only one to retrieve this unique artifact, the only one whose starship was stolen by this crook, the only padawan of this jedi master, etc.  There's only one Luke Skywalker rescuing only one Princess Leia, and you're him.

 

I think this was a good choice on the developers' part, but it does feel a little like surrender.  The difference between an MMO and a four-player game that lets you auction items to the entire userbase is, it turns out, pretty negligible.  The dream of a virtual world populated by real humans who will roleplay with each other remains unrealized in the genre. (Go try a MUCK or Second Life for that.)

 

Regardless, the class-based story arcs are pretty interesting and fun.  This is the first game where I may play all the classes just to see all of the stories -- although I can see a large fraction of the other stories by grouping with characters of the other classes.

 

The Little Things
Most MMOs these days have an internal email system. You check your mail box and can pick up messages, items, and credits from other PCs.

 

SWTOR has this too.  Except that you can also get email from the NPCs.  That NPC you helped escape might send you a thank-you note. Or a gift. Or a warning.

 

It's a little thing, but it's another way of giving you the sense that what you did mattered, that the world is different and your life is different because of your choices.

 

Theme

 

The Star Wars theme is captured well, without actually using characters or storylines from the movies.  The use of music and the hokey yet beloved scrolling yellow prologue text are good touches.  The jedi have that same sense of being the good guys and yet their code isn't as pure and sensible as one might hope.  I am not a big SW fan, in fact, but I find it very well done.

 

What I Don't Like

 

Coding problems
You have to set your keybinds and preferences for each character, which is not uncommon to MMOs yet still annoying. More annoying is that the game forgets your preferences occasionally -- if you don't want to use the "cover bar", you need to turn it off every time you log in and occasionally in the middle of a session. I eventually resigned myself to using it.

 

The autofollow command, which is seldom very good in an MMO, is completely useless in SWTOR.  It cannot follow a character moving in a straight line on level ground for fifty yards.  It's that bad.

 

Game Mechanics
This is very, very subjective.

 

I am at best a mediocre player of MMOs.  I am slow at targeting mobs, slow at figuring out which mob everyone else is attacking, or which one is being held and shouldn't be attacked. I have basically no sense of direction and am slow at figuring out the path I'm supposed to take to get to any given location.

 

I pretty much play this game by following Lut and Terry, looting the mobs they've killed, and now and again healing them or tossing fire at something that was tough enough to survive their initial volley.  Come to think of it, that's how I played CoH, too. I find myself regretting that the conversational options don't change if you've got a group, because there've been times I'd like to have said to a troublesome NPC, "Oh no, no, kiddo, your problem isn't messing with *me*.  Now, messing with the jedi and the boy scout here -- BIG MISTAKE."

 

SWTOR amplifies my incompetence a great deal. My 15th (out of 50) level smuggler has at least 20 powers.  There's a bunch of ranged attacks, including  a few damage-over-time, a few straight damage, a charged shot, a couple of explosives, a few melee attacks, a power to recharge my powers, two heals, a buff, a stealth power that I don't actually know when I'm supposed to use, and some other stuff I can't even remember much less know what to do with it. 

 

I can effectively use about 6 different abilities in a fight.  I don't really want more than that. Maybe when I've been playing the game for a few hundred hours I'll feel differently, but to be honest, I was never enthusiastic about having more than ten powers in CoH, and CoH hadn't given me nearly this many by level 15.  @.@  I keep getting upgrades to existing powers, too, so I don't think I'm supposed to be just ignoring some.

 

Oh, and the 'cover bar' that I didn't want needs to be re-arranged every time I get a new power, because it doesn't automatically get anything.  So I need to periodically comb through my giant list of powers figuring out what does what and needs to be where, and trying to arrange things so there's a chance I will be able to remember which buttons to push in the 1.5 seconds before Lut and Terry have killed whatever mob I had targeted.

 

I am sure for many people, this is great fun, but for me it just reminds me how I have no idea what I'm doing and suck.  v.v

 

SWTOR attempts to help with directions by providing a minimap that's too small to be useful when navigating between quests, and a big map that usually needs to be navigated up a level or two before I can find what I'm looking for.  If I try to figure out where I'm going without just following Lut and Terry, they'll have arrived before I start moving.  Obviously, this is a problem with me and not the navigational system, since it works fine for them.  The various maps do helpfully mark where my other group members are, so I can usually manage to stay glued to them.  The maps are often twisty, with a lots of walls/mountains that you can't walk through and have to run around, making the minimap's "target thisaway" icons pretty useless.

 

Tl;dr version:

 

* As far as combats go, the game plays a lot like all the other MMOs out there. 
* As far as navigation goes, it's more annoying than CoH for me, mostly because there are more nested maps and the zone maps are twistier.

 

A Zillion Simultaneous Quests

 

Generally, you pick up all the quests you can find for an area, then run around that area doing them in geographical order.  I find this pretty meh.  I lose track of the story threads when there are so many competing ones.  In CoH, where you had travel powers and moved quickly across the city, doing one story at a time worked great.  I guess this is more in-theme for Star Wars -- "we'll do some extra good deeds while we're down in this cess pit anyway" but meh.

 

Few Instances

 

I'm spoiled by CoH, where most of your missions were instanced.  Most of the Star Wars content isn't. They cut down on player competition by having lots of zone instances -- there might be hundreds of people in Black Sun territory right now, but only twenty or thirty in the same version you're in.  Still, we've only done one group-specific instance so far.

 

Level-Specific Grouping
Like every other game except CoH, you need to group with people your level. If your friend is 15th and you're 8th, you can't even get to the same planet as him, much less help him with his missions or he with yours.  This shouldn't annoy me because it's "every other game but CoH", but it does.

 

Tl;dr
"If City of Heroes could match the conversational scenes for the storylines, I'd rather be playing it."

 

Other Stuff
Crafting works much the way it does in games like WoW and Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.  You gather bits and combine them to make stuff and to improve your making-stuff skill.

 

The nice thing about crafting in SWTOR are that it's a crew skill -- you get NPC companions and they do your crafting skills for you.  This doesn't make a huge difference -- you still have to give your crew orders and you still have to tie up inventory/bank slots with crafting bits. But it does mean that you don't have to pick out the crafting bits and put them into the special forge or whatever. You don't need to carefully organize your stacks of crafting bits so you can find them later. Your crew will pick out what they need, as long as you've got it somewhere.

 

I kind of like the crafting, but I always have kind of liked crafting in various games, so that's not saying much.

 

Anyway, I've only been playing for one weekend, which is nothing in MMO time.  But I'm enjoying it overall, despite my incompetence and laments.  It's a good game.

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Comments

[argonel.livejournal.com]

I will note that the conversation options will also affect how much your companion likes you. And I have had a couple conversation trees end with 2 light side and a dark side option. I assume that means I would either get different amounts of points or more likely get different companion reactions. A downside to being groups is that you miss a lot of the reactions that the companions have to your conversation choices.

[tuftears.livejournal.com]

Argh! I had a long comment and it ate it. D:

Anyway, two options: you could play a Jedi consular (sage), which is a lot easier to heal on, or you could toss all the skills you don't really need. I would definitely suggest popping up the bottom center action bar, left, and right, and organizing them.

On the main bar, 2 is cover and 3 is stealth. You can't stealth if you are in combat, so it doesn't matter that 2 and 3 both get remapped to Charged Blast and Sabotage Charge when you're in cover. Otherwise I keep my cover bar identical to the normal main bar.

If you want to keep everything on one bar, I would suggest focusing on heals:

1- Free blaster attack
2- Cover
3- Stealth
4- Thermal Grenade (AOE), make this your AOE heal (Kolto Cloud) down the road
5- Standard heal (I forget the name)
6- Save this for the Heal over Time you can talent into at level 20
7- Kolto Pack - fast heal that requires Upper Hand
8- Pugnacity - restores energy over time, requires Upper Hand
9- Emergency Medpac - instant heal, requires Upper Hand
0- Slice Droid (CC you can use at a range even if only against droids)
-- Cool Head (energy regen)
=- Recuperate

Also, Smugglers regen energy faster if you keep at 60 energy or higher, thus why it's important to keep Pugnacity active and alternate between your regular heal and Kolto Pack, so you don't waste Upper Hand procs. If you drop below 50 energy, it'll be time to pop Cool Head.

Since I like to get the most out of my chars, I've spread everything onto all four bars. What I do is this:

shift-1 through 9 go to the bottom center action bar. This is where I put my haelz.

ctrl-1 through 9 go to the left action bar. This is where I put the melee/short range stuff. ctrl-1 is Pistol Whip, which grants you Upper Hand and does a pretty good amount of damage... Which pairs nicely with Blaster Volley and Thermal Grenade to clean out large groups of annoying but weak monsters.

[rowyn]

...

I think that covers why I'll always be a n00b, yeah.

[rowyn]

I was thinking of throwing that bit in, but I hadn't even mentioned companions yet, and this seemed long enough already.

And yeah, I don't mind not having the companions in a fight, but it'd be nice if they could just auto-show-up for the conversations. n.n

[tuftears.livejournal.com]

<3

This is where I plan out my future action bar use.

The smuggler really, really needs UI mods. Hopefully they will be available in the near future! Specifically, it's not easy enough to see my Upper Hand proc stacks and I want to be able to track my Slow-Release Medpacs on a target so I know when I need to refresh them.

I know for a fact that COH allows you to pile up action bars, but even so, I only ever used shift-number to access a second set. SWTOR is the first game that's made me go to ctrl-number to access a THIRD set.

I don't think it's good that it's so complicated...

But, I have to admit that it kicks tail when my smuggler, being attacked by some random thug, kicks him in the 'hyperdrive' (Dirty Kick), goes behind him, hauls out his scattergun and blasts him in the back. (Back Blast), then Pistol Whips to finish him off, gaining Upper Hand to unleash Blaster Volley on his buddies. Even if I could just have used Thermal Grenade, waited, and used Thermal Grenade again.

[tuftears.livejournal.com]

Also, the gaming icon you drew for me is totally a Scoundrel Smuggler. ^_^

[argonel.livejournal.com]

Fortunately so far I have been able to do pretty well striving for competence. Some of the champions require a little luck too but otherwise good enough gets the job done.

I will need to work on optimization for group content though. There were a couple fights where I was down to using my free blaster attack because it ranges empty, used my reload skill and ran empty again before we killed the boss.

[terrycloth.livejournal.com]

The only story threads I feel bad about not following are other peoples' class quests. I sort of vaguely get that you're after someone, and Trask is doing odd jobs for the Dark Queen, but the specifics are kind of iffy. Even though I've seen all the dialog for the last three missions.

As for having too many powers, wow. As a Jedi Sage my attack sequence went something like 'throw thing, shoot rocks, nothing's recharged so charge up the annoying slow attack, shoot more rocks, throw thing'. Lately, I've gotten a couple dots that I can rotate in instead of the annoying slow attack. Yay!

For heals, I have small expensive fast heal, slower but otherwise better in every way heal, and instant force bubble thing.

Then I have lightsaber attacks, which are basically useless.

I stopped even bothering with the CC against anything but insanely hard groups like the ones in the machine shop, since somebody always broke it. I'm pretty sure it was usually Trask since trooper powers tend to have pointless aoe splash.

[rowyn]

The main part of the smuggler story that you're missing is this:

My arc starts when I fly through a warzone and land on the noob planet. The two guys onworld, Skavek and Corso, tell me that the air defense cannon was just taken by separtists, and I can't safely takeoff until it's taken out. I run off, take it out, and run back in time to rescue Corso from some separtists and see Skaven fly off in MY SPACESHIP.

MY SPACESHIP.

I do not get nearly enough conversational choices of "I want MY SPACESHIP BACK DAMMIT." n.n

I've been following Skavek around ever since, trying to get my ship back.

The trooper story arc is:

* Taurock is assigned to Havoc squad, an elite military unit.
* He does some stuff with them, looking for a lost ship among other things.
* Havoc squad defects en masse, except for Taurock, to the empire. They leave empire lackeys to kill Taurock. Havoc squad says they're defecting because they were screwed by the Republic.
* Later, the Dark Queen confirms that the Republic did screw over Havoc squad. Most of Taurock's missions for her are theoretically connected to locating the defectors.

I've missed some parts of the Trooper story because Trask did them while I was doing the Smuggler story, but that seems to be the gist of it.

Your story seems to be "collect jedi relics and try to cure your crazy jedi master", as far as I can tell. n.n

[rowyn]

Yeah, in CoH I usually had two or three power bars open, but almost everything I used in combat was on one.

I combed over my current power list and set up three bars with ranged/heal/melee and an alternate cover bar. Most of them are only two-thirds full, but I figured (a) the keys after 6 are not much easier to hit than shift-1 or ctrl_1 and (b) I'm going to get MOAR POWERS anyway, as you pointed out.

Trying to fit everything on one bar seemed futile. x.x

Oh -- I don't actually have 'cover' on a slot. You can hotkey 'cover' separate of the slot bars, so it's on F for me.

And I didn't understand how Upper Hand worked until you were describing it incidentally. So I read the descriptions on all the powers while I was at it, and now maybe kind of understand the theory. Using it in practice -- yikes. @.@

[terrycloth.livejournal.com]

Yeah. The jedi counsellor story has you actually catching the big bad on Tython before you leave the planet, and then in apparently unrelated news, when you get to Coruscant your master is 'sick'.

I bet they'll turn out to be related somehow though -- maybe whoever was driving the twilek mad is also the one working on your master?

[tuftears.livejournal.com]

Yea, the reason I have cover on a slot is because if you cover, you're going to pop up two new skills anyway, and you want them to be in spots that are easy to hit, and won't conflict with anything you'd have used otherwise.

Upper Hand will proc from both your direct heal and from Pistol Whip, which is handy for solo questing and does decent damage. Glad that my explanation was a help! I'll argue that smugglers really need a good UI for this kind of stuff.