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rowyn ([personal profile] rowyn) wrote2010-07-18 03:47 pm

Inception

Lut and I went to see Inception today. During the previews, the one for Dinner for Schmucks started to play.

Me: Haven't we seen this preview before?
Lut: Yes.
Me: You know, I don't even want to watch the preview again.
Lut: I was just thinking that.

Inception was good. I will put spoilers behind the cut-tag.



There are three obvious interpretations of the film:

* "Straight": The opening sequence on the beach is limbo, with Cobb going to get Saito back. The rest of the film is flashback, until Cobb wakes up back on the plane. Then he's back in the waking world. All of the apparently "waking world" sequences are in fact in the waking world.

* "The Waking World is real, but Cobb never returns to it": All of the nominal "waking world" sequences are real except for the last one: Cobb cannot pull Saito back out of limbo and instead is trapped within a dream. A happy dream, this time.

* "Moll is right": Moll is convinced that her world isn't real because it isn't. When she and Cobb tried to wake up, they only climbed one level. They still needed to wake up to the next, and Moll couldn't convince Cobb to do it. Moll is alive in the waking world; Cobb is dreaming the entire film, including the end.

The film refuses (rightly, I think) to resolve these issues. The best argument in favor of the last option is the one faux-Moll uses in Limbo: the waking-world chase scene with COBOL agents shooting at him has a very dream-like quality, down to the increasingly narrow alleyway that Cobb is trying to squeeze through.

The best argument for the second option is the lack of a "kick" to pull Cobb and Saito back out. The film doesn't actually show a transition where Cobb and Saito get out of Limbo, although the suggested "Saito shoots them both" isn't wholly implausible: suicide is supposedly how Cobb and Moll got out of limbo.

The best argument in favor of "Straight" is Occam's Razor, I suppose. >:) There's also the closing behavior of the dreidel: in previous this-is-definitely-a-dream sequences, the dreidel always spins perfectly level and in one spot. In the ending scene, it doesn't fall but it's moving around and wobbling a little.

I thought "Moll is right" pretty early on, almost as soon as Cobb explained how she died. I did not expect the film to verify this hypothesis because on a meta-level, it is too pat. The big twist becomes "your wife is alive, you are not accused of any crimes, and you are not being hunted by nefarious mega-corporations. In fact, you have a perfectly normal happy life and all you needed to do was wake up". The big twist is never something this cheerful in movies with a big twist. The movie doesn't verify this possibility, but it doesn't exactly rule it out either. Which makes the ending fairly grim, if Cobb is indeed still dreaming.

So what did the rest of you think?

[identity profile] gavinfox.livejournal.com 2010-07-18 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm inclined to either the 'straight' or the 'cobb never returns' option (the kids should look aged a little!). I don't really think Moll was right...

[identity profile] jimmy-hollaman.livejournal.com 2010-07-18 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, now the tops make since (for the movie, they gave away tops to promote it)

[identity profile] jimmy-hollaman.livejournal.com 2010-07-20 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It was a small box of around 300 tops that was put out at ConQuest. I have heard it was a good movie....

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Suicide was how Moll and Cobb *tried* and *failed* to get out of limbo -- they were young when they killed themselves, but they *grew old together* in limbo and only woke up after the drugs ran out in the real world 50 subjective years later. Killing yourself in limbo doesn't work.

Instead, he and Saito kill each other to 'wake up' and 'be young men together' 'and I will fulfill my compact' or something like that. So they do. In limbo. Eventually, they'll actually wake up, but it'll be something like 200 years.

Moll *might* be right but there's no way to tell -- if you made your totem in the dream, then it'd work right in the dream. And besides, it only helps you tell if you're in someone's else's dream, and he would have been in his own.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm... reasons why Moll might be real:
(1) Persecution and being chased by random people.
(2) The narrow alleyway of fakeness.
(3) She keeps coming back because she's standing over his body in the real world shaking him and trying to wake him up. >:)

[identity profile] jurann.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
Meh, I think I may wait for Blu-Ray for this one, and even then I find a REALLY hard time bringing myself to watch ANY film with Leonardo DiCaprio in it. =P No thanks. Any director who is smart enough to come up with an amazing plot should also be smart enough to avoid pop culture disasters as stars in their films.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
The whole film was essentially mocking him, though.

[identity profile] jurann.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
o rly... Well, that may just make it worth seeing. ;D

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
He was playing a spoiled rich kid who thought he was the hero of the story, but was really just the McGuffin.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Um... no? Was Cobb Dicaprio? I thought the spoiled rich kid was Dicaprio. I didn't realize he was in it at all until Jurann mentioned it, actually.

(Anonymous) 2010-07-20 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I will note that any film with DiCaprio in it pretty much is a 'miss' for me. Given that, I would still recommend 'Inception'. Now I'm wanting to see 'The Departed', which I had previously passed on.

[identity profile] ltwarhound.livejournal.com 2010-07-20 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
*pokes the LJ interface and wonders why he wasn't logged in on the above comment*

[identity profile] tuftears.livejournal.com 2010-07-19 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to see this closed-captioned, but the captions cut out at the start of the film and never came back in. I was unhappy. }:( The Wikipedia synopsis was enough to get me up to speed on what all happened though.

I'm not sure which ending is the 'truth', it sort of seems like it wants to go all Schrodinger's Cat on us.