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rowyn ([personal profile] rowyn) wrote2012-01-04 01:40 pm
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The Size of the Pie

This idea has been stuck in my head for a while now.

 

Yesterday, I was reading an article about DC's latest reboot; they now have only two women working on the 52 DC Universe titles (one author writing two titles, and one artist doing one cover).  That's out of 209 artists/writers/cover artists.

 

The sole female writer called on DC to hire more women, and one of her fellow creators was unhappy about that. His argument, albeit not in so many words, was 'which of the us do you want to get fired for this?'

 

And this seemed like entirely the wrong question.  DC and Marvel's superhero comics are read by, I dunno, maybe a couple million people.  Out of the seven billion people in the world, these giants in the field are reaching maybe a thousandth of a percent.  And it's not that people don't like superheroes: I'd guess that at least ten times as many people watched Captain America as read even one superhero comic in 2011.

 

So this guy is saying 'I don't want to lose my job to some woman just because she's a woman and there aren't enough jobs for everyone'. Which is totally understandable.  Except that it ignores the ability of people to MAKE MORE JOBS.  It ignores that maybe if the DC Universe wasn't a No Gurlz Allowed club, maybe it would appeal to more people. Not just women, but men too.   Maybe if you weren't so jealously intent on protecting your little bitty pie from anyone else getting a slice, you'd find out that you could make a much bigger pie.

 

But it's not just this one little thing.  It's so many things where I feel like we as humans are totally misguided, where we act as if resources were not just finite but narrowly bounded, as if there's a fixed amount of wealth in the world and there can never be any more so we have to grab as much of it as we can and keep anyone else from getting their hands on it. We can't let immigrants into our country and steal OUR JOBS.  We can't let people get rich because that should be OUR MONEY.  We can't be happy for a friend's successful blog because those should be OUR READERS. 

 

One blogger called it 'slottiness', when aspiring writers would get jealous of another being published, as if that author had taken their slot.  But we do it with so many things.  It seems like common sense to think that if one person gets X, the next person can't.

 

But it's still wrong.  There's so much that we can create. Life is not zero-sum. We don't have to make sure someone else loses in order for us to win.

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[identity profile] shockwave77598.livejournal.com 2012-01-04 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll go along with that. Getting someone in DC to part with more money for the additional slots though, there's the trick.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2012-01-04 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure they'll be happy to jump on the bandwagon once someone else figures out which one is right.

And it's not as bad as you're making it out. Marvel's branched out into making comic book versions of published novels, and importing popular European comics and releasing them under their label. DC's been putting out random non-superhero comics under the Vertigo category for decades. Both of them are trying to take their core IP and revitalize it for new markets by going into movies and video games (on the theory that the comic book format itself is the problem).

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2012-01-04 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't read many superhero comics but I read a few of them, and one of them involved one of the specific things that I saw people complaining about -- Starfire.

...and I didn't see it. She changed from 'optimistic and dorky' to 'bitter misfit' which doesn't seem like a huge stretch. She wears skimpy clothing for the same reason she always wore skimpy clothing which is that she's socially awkward and overly proud of her heritage, and doesn't care what it makes people think about her (that's *their* malfunction).

And she's in a story about 'Red Hood' tracking down the evil demigod who had a bunch of his friends assassinated. She's the muscle. Last issue someone pulled a superman-kryptonite style gambit on her to take her out of the picture. I don't see how you can reasonably say she's there for T+A.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2012-01-04 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
They're the same character in different moods. Specifically, she's bitter because she's apparently a wanted criminal for some reason that I don't know because I didn't read that part.

[identity profile] octantis.livejournal.com 2012-01-05 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Have you seen this tumblr blog? It might amuse you. http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/

[identity profile] jordangreywolf.livejournal.com 2012-01-05 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, at least I haven't seen Rob-Liefeld-style women-with-spines-that-must-be-broken-OMG-that-must-hurt! poses for a long time!

Anyway, I definitely agree: If you're in a struggling business, you can't be looking at the idea that you've got a finite pie that can only be sliced up so many ways. Cutting up the pie into smaller pieces just for the sake of doing so will have the predictable effect of ... just making smaller pieces. However, if you're running out of pie, then get back there and BAKE ANOTHER PIE.

Now I'm hungry for pie. Apple, specifically. Ala mode would be nice.

Getting back to my mangled metaphor, hiring a new artist or writer who's DIFFERENT than the current crew can be worth it as a gamble (it might or might not pay off, of course) if the intent is to generate new and different material to appeal to people who wouldn't otherwise be buying your product, rather than "cannibalizing" your own readership.

That's what I'd hope would be the plan, anyway.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2012-01-05 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of the pictures in Escher Girls are from old comics.

After you pointed that out last night I picked a fewrandom comics from my stack looking for that sort of horrible poses and didn't find anything. Well, zero examples of the stupid 'boob and butt' pose or the detached leg silliness but one example of someone with way too narrow of a waist I guess.

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2012-01-05 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I picked them from the marvel and DC ones, yeah. Only one was a superhero comic though.